
I was pretty sure my bad breath and high acidic saliva mouth could not be good for her delicate baby skin, but I couldn't bring myself to retrieve her fingers. Then I felt slightly creepy. Who gets this much pleasure out of having their babies fingers and hand awkwardly shoved into their mouth? Still, if she had not declared a retreat, I would have stayed that way all night and woken up this morning with her whole hand in my my mouth and been very happy about it. (And this reminds me of when I was newly married. I tried very hard to fall asleep holding Ryan's pinky and to wake up in the same position the next morning... holding pinkies. This of course did not work, but in my young-in-love-mind, this was a dream worth chasing. Oh the days when marriage was that simple...)
She devoured four ounces of milk and when she was done, she burrowed down into my chest and smiled and purred her way back to sleep. I rocked her for thirty more minutes just so I could be with her, could feel her, could hold her close to me.
This was one of the best moments of my life. Simple. Pure. Beautiful. Divine.
The song, What Do I Know of Holy, does not just resonate with you Rebecca, or with you Renee, or with the few others who have posted comments about the song on this forum... but rather it has resonated with so many, many people in so many parts of the world. I believe this song works because people long to know and love God in a deeper way than our churches and religious traditions are giving them an opportunity to do so through. People are tired of religion.
This song says, don't give me God in a box; give me the Holy of Holies, the Creator, the unknowable, unfathomable Savior whom angels worship and rocks cry out to, who made the ocean and knows how many grains of sand are on its beaches, who made possible a way for all things to be redeemed and made new, who loves infinitely. I want that.
So you think things would be changing. And yet, I find that many of the churches we visit (over 100 different churches a year) are still spitting out the same washed up, empty, judgemental, boxey, passionless messages and programs. Aaagghhh. The word "program" in connection with church makes me want to pull my hair out. (Cause programs for "church members" was exactly what Jesus was all about, huh?)
Follow me from that night in an Independent Baptist church in Texas to a recent night in Iowa when I had dinner with three girls who were all members of Christian Reformed, Lutheran, and Episcopalian denominations. After talking for a while about girl things, I asked them to tell me about their churches. What are they like? How do they shape your lives? What do the worship and sermons mean to you each week?
They looked at me like I was asking them to find the square root of 2,345,768 (And by the way, I have no idea if there is a square root for that. I have no idea how to find square roots. I have no idea what a square root is.).
So I asked them a more simple question, "Well then, why do you go to church?"
Their answer? Because we always have. I finally got them to acknowledge that the best part of church for them was the community, the people who had been a part of their lives since the nursery. And while I was happy they had found love and joy in the community there, I was heartbroken that for them, church was a community center; not a place where they fell more in love with Jesus, were drawn closer to God, or developed in any way spiritually. No wonder their faces were blank during worship and they barely moved their mouths to sing.
Those are two extreme examples.
And we run into this all the time. The church should break into Hollywood... I've never seen so many good actors in my life. So many people faking it. Going through the motions. Dead in the pews. And worse, tepidly mildewed and green around the edges of their souls. Not quite rotten, not nearly alive, just a murky, still water infested with mosquitoes. Yikes. Why go to church people??? Stay at home. Sleep in. Go for a nice run in the park and end up at a cool coffee shop and read the Sunday morning newspaper. Sometimes I think the best thing for a lot of churches would be a freak tornado that comes down only to take the walls of the building away... because then what? Would anyone choose to rebuild?
Church is supposed to be about God. And community. But mostly a group of people in love with Christ first, passionately chasing after a new way of living, finding a new way to be human, and then stumbling into a beautiful community of other people who are following the same way.
What we all to often have are social and political clubs, that at best, function like fun-loving senior centers and inclusive PTA's and fraternities who sometimes have members who sometimes have moments in God's presence while sometimes attending their events.
One. This is nothing new. "Church" "religion" and groups of Christ followers have been screwing up for years. The Israelites. The Catholic crusades. The Christians who stood by and participated in the Holocaust. The TV evangelists. The materialistically, exclusive churches in the rich suburbs. And the bigoted, hateful churches of the south. And the thousands of churches and denominations (in all corners of the world) living between the extremes who blithely exist simply because... you know, that's what they've always done. Everyone is Greek Orthodox. Everyone is Catholic. Everyone goes to community group. Everyone sits through communion. Everyone goes to church camp at least once.
Whether it is the church functioning as the murderers or as the funeral home, I take hope in the fact that we are not the first generation to reduce God's community of followers to such low lows. History repeats itself.
Second positive I see? History does not have to repeat itself.
Third positive I see? Beyond the churches that are doing harm or doing nothing; there is another kind of church. I have seen it. With my own eyes. I have seen it in California. I saw it in the Netherlands. I have seen it in Chicago. I saw it once in an amazing worship service in Slovakia. My friends have seen it in Congo. And it is happening in small churches and communities across the country. I see it brewing in my own church. There is a movement of people, faith communities, cities, even some nations who are passionately rejecting religion for the sake of religion and desperately seeking God's face.
There are bands like the Parachute Band from New Zealand who are not interested in being on the radio (even though they are incredibly talented, marketable, guys who could make a lot of money off of it) but instead are genuinely seeking to introduce God and worship to as many people as possible.
LifeTeen through the Catholic church who are, in so many inventive ways, leading students into developing their own meaningful relationships with Christ.
The Emergent Village, The Simple Way, Rob Bell, Beth Moore, Rick Warren... the list goes on and on. The church universal has glimmers of authentic Christ-centered passion, beauty, and hope. Perhaps more than the church has ever had.
There are villages that have little else,
but they do have a church."
And he continues, "The Church is the most magnificent concept ever created. It has survived persistent abuse, horrifying persecution, and widespread neglect. Yet despite its faults (due to our sinfulness), it is still God’s chosen instrument of blessing and has been for 2,000 years.
The Church will last for eternity, and because it is God’s instrument for ministry here on Earth, it is truly the greatest force on the face of the Earth. That’s why I believe tackling the world’s biggest problems – the giants of spiritual lostness, egocentric leadership, poverty, disease, and ignorance – can only be done through the Church."
Simple. Pure. Beautiful. Divine.
Whether your church has ten people or ten thousand... it is God's instrument. To go in and out of a "church building" each week without experiencing God (sometimes without even trying to or even caring whether we do), without engaging with the Holy of Holies, without connecting and journeying with others on a personal, meaningful, spiritual level (not just: how was your week, what do you think about the Cowboys? pray for my dog), and without passionately aspiring to God beyond the walls, color, creed, and safety of our own churches to be an agent of change in the world is a tragic misuse of God's house. Tragic.
Shane Claiborne says in his book The Irresistible Revolution that too many people complain about the church yet do nothing to fix it. So he endeavored to stop complaining and start acting. That left him homeless, on the streets, living with tons of other people, sharing his food, his car, his bed, his health insurance, and now he has written a book about it all and continues to be a part of the change that I believe God so desperately wants to see: Christians who actually have passion for Him.
So the real question I pose for myself and for you today is this... what are we doing to fix it? Not the staff, not the politics, not the carpet, the worship style, or the gossiping divas that the church would be so much better without.
No.
What are we doing to be a part of, to encourage, to initiate, to demand, to usher in the spiritual hunger and thirst for Christ himself in our churches?
And if we are doing nothing to this end, if you are doing nothing to this end... then why go?








39 comments:
Jenny,
This is very ironic that you are writing about churches today. I have recently moved on from my current church because our current church is more focused on the supernatural then a realationship with God. It honestly got the point for me where I was just going to church to see my friends and talk with them. I was not going to enrich my relationship with God. I think that you are right to often people just go to church for a community and they forget that they actually go to church to interact with God. Yes, a community at church is great becuase it is a place to turn if you need help. But I also think it should be balanced with a focus on a realationship with God. It seems to me that what is the point of church if we are just going to sit back and talk to people? you can talk to people at Starbucks. you dont need a church building to do that. God bless!!
Some great thoughts and perspectives Jenny. Our church has recently started asking us, as Christians, what's the point? Not just what's the point of coming to church, but what's the point of everything we do, at church and in our lives. I think we get to caught up with "church" and not "picking up our cross daily" and following Christ. Church, as important as it is and it is important, is only a small part of our day and week and life (percentage of time wise). Most of our lives are spent like Jesus, interacting with people as we go through our day. And what is the point in that? The point is to do what Jesus called us to do, point others to Him. I know I have to be reminded of that from time to time. Thanks for helping to remind me.
this is a very interesting blog. very interesting indeed. while there are points i think i disagree with (there are times when i'm just not sure where i stand on certain things), and you have cited a couple "religious authorities" i definitely KNOW i do not agree with, you have presented a very pointed and convicting idea. why go?
yes, the church has been messing up for 2000 years. yes, the church has become a place to press political agendas that may not even line up with the Word of God. we've seen it before. we'll see it again. yes, the church has been reduced to little more than a building and a happy meet and greet hall.
and while we do need that, we need a place to come together as believers and have the opportunity to build strong relationships with other believers, we don't need to be pew warmers. that's all we are when we attend regularly and get nothing from it. that's what we are reduced to when we attend church and don't seek to be in the Word or to connect with God.
we've forgotten that it is a house of worship. and more so, we have forgotten that WE are the church.
i currently do not attend a church where i live because i have not found what i have been needing. sad, that in a town of 30,000 people i have visited 2 churches that preached soundly from the Word, but that still didn't do what was needed beyond that. the focus was more on attendance numbers and get togethers.
so why go?
if we cannot be a part of the body of Christ and press on to know Him more, and to focus on that relationship, we have no right and no business being there. if we won't do our part to seek a deeper relationship with Christ, then we don't belong in that building, and we need to get out of there and make room for people who will.
Do you have any advice about how to go about finding an authentic church? It can be so hard...
I LOVE this topic, mainly because *being* the church instead of *going* to church has been so very laid upon my heart as of late. I grew up in the Bible Belt and spent the first 2 1/2 decades of my life in churches, which while growing in number, only did so because that was the "thing to do"...or seemingly so. It was the socially acceptable thing to do. They were evangelistic churches, which we need...but not really into socially active change minus the yearly missions trip.
I live in the Northeast now. People are very REAL here, and it's not really the socially acceptable thing to be a Christian. But man! Our church is FULL of broken people. Broken people who have reached out to other broken people. Abusers, addicts. Those whom God has changed in such a powerful way that they are too excited not to share of his Glory and Love! And one thing I love is to sneak a peek at our pastor during worship. He is SO into it. And he tears up when he talks about Jesus. It's completely real and heartfelt.
I think another aspect of our apathy is that in America we are so completely pampered. We have everything. Even those who have very little are wealthy compared to the rest of the world. We feel that we don't need God because of our comfortableness. Our pastor mentioned on Sunday that although we are only 7% of the world's population, we consume 50% of the goods. Yikes.
Jesus called us first to love Him, then to love others. (Love! Not condemn! Not embarrass in order to win them to Christ! LOVE!) He talked about "when" we give to the poor...not "if". If all the Christians took that to heart (me included!) what a fantastic, amazing, incredible difference we could make! Can you imagine?
Jenny,
This is exactly what I needed to hear today. It has always amazed me how God orchastrates people's lives so we meet (or write blogs, or say hello, or smile, or mail someone a check for no reason at all in our minds or, or, or, the list goes on and on) at exactly the right time and place in our lives. God uses people we don't even know all the time! God is a Great and Mighty God!
That being said, my husband and I have not been to "church" since March of this year. In the time between now and then we have read some of those books about why people love God but hate the "church" today. We were searching for an understanding of why we feel the way we do about the "church" and we found it! We now know that the church is the community of believers who walk through life together. The church is a group of people who seek after God together and are not afraid to be honest and open about both their struggles and their triumphs. The church is not a building or even a group of people who meet together regularly, but the church is as you put it:
"Church is supposed to be about God. And community. But mostly a group of people in love with Christ first, passionately chasing after a new way of living, finding a new way to be human, and then stumbling into a beautiful community of other people who are following the same way."
I am not saying everyone should quit going to "church" in a building on Sunday mornings (or saturday night or Friday nights or wednesday nights). Rather, I am saying that you will NEVER find true church until your are seeking after God with all your heart, mind, and soul. It is when you are striving to know Jesus more every day God will bless you with an amazing community of people who will walk that walk with you and encourage you as you seek after the Lord!
You were definitaly asking the right question when you asked "why do you go to church?" More people need to ask themselves that question until they KNOW the answer. Sometimes to find that answer one must first ask, "What is the "church". God gives all wisdom and knowledge, so ask Him to make it clear to you so you might seek after HIM with all you have!
Be blessed,
RaVae
Well, you're not shying away on Tough Topic Tuesday. I think you hit on many things that are wrong with churches but there's nothing new under the sun. Read the letters to the churches in Revelation and you'll see that they had _all_ the same problems the church has today--including every one that you pointed out. Tepidness, social scene, affluence crowding out offense of the gospel, capitulating to the culture, etc. etc. It's been there since the beginning, but Christ still loved those churches and called them to return to him, or he would not have bothered with the letters. And he still loves the church today, and calls her through his word to continually be reforming and returning to him.
To the person who wondered how to go about finding an authentic church, visit and see if you see the gospel there--does the worship lift up the Lord and take away focus on men? Does the pastor's message flow from the Word, rightly interpreted? Is the name of Christ heard and his work exalted? Are the sacraments administered properly and in good order? Does there seem to be genuine love or are the people's religious affections really a sham? Individuals within a congregation may be there with bad motives and practices--you will die waiting to find the perfect church--so look for a place that exalts Christ and his work, and contribute to that effort.
This is so great! I am so glad you wrote this. Actually i LOVE our church and where we are right now is exactly what the church is suppose to be. Our topic right now is reaching people for God going out and being the church 24/7 and connecting with people. Finding people everywhere we go to just impact their lives that day anyway we can. Maybe be the only person that smiles at them that day. Maybe let them know you care by saying "HI how's your day going?" It can be at the Starbucks, your child's school, the doctors office. Wherever it is just let people know you care. We have that community desire but not just in the building but in the city in the surrounding cities in our county and state. Our desire is for Christ, the cause, and our community. To build a intimate one on one relationship with God. Not as he's there we're here but deep intimate relationship with him personally. We have an on fire church and an absolutely wonderful Pastor. I am in two ministries at our Church and i have been to soooo many Churches in my life that just went through the motions but here is HOME we take action make it real and make it a part of us 24/7. I have never been happier anywhere in my life then i am now. It's that inspiration to reach out get out of our box and be Christ in our daily lives that our Pastor is so good at. His drive to reach people and connect to God in a deep meaningful way that i wish every church had. This was a great topic Jenny thanks for stepping out and putting it out there.
Jenny,
This comment is nowhere near the length of all the others, but I just wanted to say that what you wrote is SO true. We've all gotten too concerned with what others think about us, and we only act based upon that. Also, we need to learn how to accept people for just who they are. Broken, abused, whatever they may be. This post really made me think.
I love the "Tough topic Tuesday" picture/icon thingy too :) It fits perfectly!
you've done it again, Jenny!
this was amazing. i was reading it in tears while listening to KSBJ, they played Toby Mac's new song "City On Our Knees" and... surprisingly enough, "What Do I Know of Holy" by none other than, Addison Road of course. :)
then it brought more tears.
like i said before, im 17, my family hasn't been to church in THE longest. for many reasons.
however, in the time that i've been away- so many things have happened in my life & relationship with Christ.
now, i see that most of the time i was there for the community not seeking God's face. Sometimes though, i really was. & i think that was mainly when everything went well or was going well.
i wanted a real, deep, passionate relationship with Christ, but never really pursued it like i am now. Now that im OUT of church. Who would've thought?
thank you for this. it moved me soooo much. i pray that the many that were moved, won't stop there. that we act on what inspired us from this. i pray that i don't stop here. i WANT this.
thank you, Jenny.
you're such an inspiration to me.
keep em coming! can't wait till the next one! :)
*Now Britt Nicole's "The Lost Get Found" is playing. God is speaking!
Jenny,
I love your blog. I love how you take the simple things in life and find joy in them.
But today's post was different. You nailed it. That is exactly the problem with the church today. Although I'm pretty sure I disagree with you theologically (You like Rob Bell and Rick Warren. I'm more of a Piper and Driscoll guy.) But Jesus said that one thing is needful, to love God with all your being. And that is what the church needs.
I think that, while it's good to seek out the type of church described by all of us as at least pursuing the ideal, we need to focus more on being the Church that God calls us to be. Too often we go to a church for a time, only to eventually become dissatisfied for one reason or another. Even if our dissatisfaction is for good reason, how helpful is it really to just leave instead of working to effect change through prayer, service, and authentic living? (This, of course, excludes major issues of heresy, etc.)
Jenny, I like Tough Topic Tuesdays.
As a person who pastors a church, I know the problems you are talking about first hand. I wish the church was more effective in issues of social justice, evangelism, mission, and entering into the suffering in the world to bring the hope of Jesus Christ. A great German pastor named Dietrich Bonhoeffer thought along the same lines in the 1930's and 1940's, and almost left the church. However, after years of reflection he said, "Whoever loves the dream of Christian community more than Christian community itself will become the destroyer of every Christian community no matter how honest, earnest, or sacrificial their intentions may be." Something we should think on . . .
This is something that I've been thinking about quite a bit relative to my own church...
A couple of thoughts:
Church is culture around here, especially with the folks who were born and raised here. I think there are a lot of people who go to church not only for the community there, but also because "that's what good people do" or that's how they've always spent their Sunday mornings. I think that can, and has, lead to people making the church and its traditions an idol.
I understand what it's like to try and get people to engage in worship, and to have them unenthusiastically stare back at you, and barely mouth the words. It makes it very difficult, when I'm not comfortable being up in front of people in the first place, to try and lead worship. I wish people were more passionate about worship, and had more of a desire to connect with God in that way.
Jenny,
Great blog once again. Even though I have finally found a wonderful church (after having been church-less for 2 years), this blog is so true. So many churches, but also a lot of christian bands, youth groups, and other christian 'groups' have lost their focus on what's truly important. We've slowly become a lip-syncing people. And when I read your blog it made me think about how I am with my friends. How often do I change our conversations from the random to the important? It's great to talk about random everyday stuff...but I really want my friendships to be centered around God. And I guess that can only happen if I, in my personal life, pursue Him more. Cause our lips will overflow of that which is in our hearts. I feel blessed to have found a church which helps me fall more in love with God, and in which I also find encouragement in the churh-family. But it's great to see others around the world being passionate about pursuing Him too. It's cool to have bands like you guys, and Parachute Band, and Hillsong United...people who are real and who want to encourage others to really know Him.
Thank you!
-Renée
Aaaah. The Jenny I know and love. I want to say that I called it--back when you were an enthusiastic, talented and energetic freshman at Baylor...you are a prophet, my daughter.
From your so touching relating of your experience as a mother with your baby, to the straight up, spot on analysis of the situation of American Christianity.
Shine on, Jen and bravely speak the truth.
I count it a privilege to be your friend...and to be able to listen in on your growing prophetic voice in our culture.
Take courage!
Sam
"Church is supposed to be about God. And community. But mostly a group of people in love with Christ first, passionately chasing after a new way of living, finding a new way to be human, and then stumbling into a beautiful community of other people who are following the same way. What we all to often have are social and political clubs, that at best, function like fun-loving senior centers and inclusive PTA's and fraternities who sometimes have members who sometimes have moments in God's presence while sometimes attending their events."
THANK YOU.
I haven't been to church in a long time because finding one that fit had become truly difficult. One of the biggest issues I have is when people try to preach about politics from the pulpit. That is NOT what I come to hear. God doesn't have a political party, and He loves me no matter which candidate I vote for. So why do I need to be judged and uncomfortable because I'm not as conservative as the person sitting next to me in the sanctuary?
I'm continuing to search for a church that will help me continue and grow stronger in my relationship with God. I think we all need to be challenged rather than just going through the motions. It's very much like the Matthew West song that's out now.
Thank you for writing this.
It s so amazing and wonderful to me that I hae a cburch that preaches the SAME THING. We an outside the box kinda church, Lutheran, but we tick off the "higher ups" so regularly that we almost left. We have gotten bad pretten about good things that people NEED to hear about in church. We welcome, with open arms, people who don't think they are good enough to belong in a place where they feel safe, where God loves them. I have never felt so sitmulated, so involved, so passionate in my life. Every week I ache to go and get the message, and even if I don't think it's going to, it ALWAYS pertains to me. AND we sang "Hope Now", on my suggestion:) I cried. I pray that everyone can find a church life ours and really FEEL!
Ok, it meant to say gotten bad "press". I don't know where that came from.
I had an interesting discussion with a friend of mine the other day about how he and his wife are looking for a church home and not finding what they are looking for anywhere they go. This made me ask why they were looking for a church that already has everything they are looking for? Why not find a church that preaches the gospel and is seeking to live the gospel and build from there? I work in a church and I hear so many people lamenting how the church isn't authentic, or the church isn't really following Jesus, or the church doesn't have real worship, or whatever and I just want to scream sometimes at all these people walking away from the church because it's not living up to their expectations. I am a part of a church that has a long way to go. We aren't doing a very good job of being the church- we are a "country club" for Christians so to speak, we have programs in place for the kids and the youth and the adults to get together but we aren't stepping out of our community. But we want this to change and are working toward it. But when everyone gives up on the church instead of jumping in and getting their hands dirty it makes this far more difficult. If you want authenticity at church, stick around and be authentic with others, they'll follow eventually. If you want the church to do better following Jesus' way then start by serving as you think Jesus would and invite others to join you. If you want the church to have more real worship then join the planning team or forget about the people around you and just raise your hands or fall on your knees or let the tears fall when you are worshiping God. There are always going to be people who don't see a problem with the church as community center mentality. But the more people are willing to stay with a church to help move it forward the more churches will become the church.
I have also witnessed some amazing churches that are truly living examples of what the church should be and I know that we can get there as well. I have no solutions, and I believe like each individual the church will continue to be flawed until the day we are called home, but like individuals I believe the church can continue to grow to become more like the church we are supposed to be.
Jenny, this blog made me positively CRY. My church is dying on the inside, and we can all see it--at least, the people I talk to about it--my parents, the lead deacon at my church, and we all want to stop it, but we don't know what to do. I stay because I love the people in my church--they have loved me since before I was in diapers, and they grew me, and the one thing my church has going for them is great community. At least, they did have that. But now the song services are stagnant, people mumble through the hymns, the sermons are Biblically based, but they have none of the joy I know my Jesus has, and all the youth are leaving and if anyone tries to sing "I'm Coming Back to the Heart of Worship" with a little bit of passion instead of mumbling through Amazing Grace like we're not amazed anymore, half of the church walks out... the youth ministry is dying, divorces are increasing, and I come back from college to see the people I love completely in chaos! It makes me cry so much. I've always wanted to change the world, and I've always been a dreamer, and I feel that right now, this is MY time to move, for the glory of God, and I feel all the changes He has made in my heart to prepare me, but I don't know what to do! I feel like God is calling me to preach a sermon to them, but I don't have the words to say--I don't know how to reach out to the head elder and tell him what God has been trying to get through to him for years. I don't know how to get the whole church absolutely zealous for the evangelistic series we are having in October, and I sure don't know how to get people excited about worship and souls... And I pray for the words and the inspiration, but all the while I feel like I'm holding back myself and the church that we could be... Even as I write this my mind is churning, trying to find the answers, but maybe I just need to give it back to God. And then I need to move. :)
Thanks for this post, Jenny. Powerful stuff. Rocked my world today. :)
Ashley (the Dreamer)
Jenny,
It was amazing to read your blog today. My husband and I have been battling those same feelings for awhile now. One thing I've noticed in far too many places is that it's not okay to ask questions. It's not okay to ask why we're spending thousands of dollars every month on a church building while children die from starvation today. Why are we spending so much money on paid staff and stuff for ourselves when our neighbors down the street just want some food? As the community outreach program is re-vamped, why is it beginning with a party at the church building? In my opinion, if the people in the community wanted to come to the building, they would already be here. Why are we so caught up with fancy children's programs when what the kids really need is to see their parents and other adults in the trenches serving Jesus?
I feel overchurched and underdiscipled. It has become somewhat of an idol for me. I feel guilty when I don't go on Sundays and angry when I do.
My husband and I have decided to stop going to the institution for the most part. We love the people, don't get me wrong. We adore them. We cherish them. But we don't want to be part of the institution.
So we have started meeting in homes on Fridays in Euless, TX. Last week was our first week. We had 3 families. This week we're having a baby shower for a lady who's been living with her husband and son in her mother in law's living room. She doesn't have money to buy any diapers for her baby who's due next month. So we're having a baby shower. Our offerings are going to the poor...what a concept!
I don't know what we'll do next week. But I want to serve Jesus. I want to love Jesus.
This is Jennifer (Robinson) Porter by the way. Didn't mean to look like a stalker.
Up until I was 19 or 20 my reason for going to church was probably simply "because it's Sunday, and that's what I do on Sundays..." I had even stopped going for a few months because I decided I may as well just work on Sundays.
I don't blame my church for that mindset. I believe that you get out of church exactly what you go to get out of it. I was simply showing up just to show up, and that's what I got out of it. Most of the time I wasn't really going to meet God or reach out to anyone, and so that rarely happened. Finally, one day I decided it was time for me to stop simply attending church and actually involve myself. I joined the choir, began helping with the 4th grade Sunday school and the children's choir. I began chaperoning youth trips and stayed as connected with the college group as I could. And after Gustav I went around and helped rid the older members of the trees in their yards. I'm not saying all these things make me a better Christian or church member, but they all bring me closer to God and to others.
I don't really feel like I have much to offer God at all, but at my church, I am serving him and I wouldn't have it any other way. The choir has taught me better how to worship, and I don't just mean because I sing a traditional hymn or modern praise & worship song, but because when I sing, I know I sing to my creator, who is truly worthy of my praise, and sometimes when I sing to him, I truly feel like he's right there holding me.
And I couldn't tell you what every other member gets from everyone else, but for me, we are a community. There are members there who knew my parents as children and members who recall holding me in the nursery and changing my diapers. There are members there who grew up with me, and members I've watched grow up. There are new members I have only known for a few weeks, but when I look out into the congregation, seeing them brings a smile to my face because they are family.
My church isn't perfect; there's disputes, there's corruption in places I'm sure, there's cliques, but there's also a love there for God and a desire to bring others to him.
Since my comment didn't really discuss your post, I'll add...
I believe until we can all be flawless, the church will never be flawless either. And I agree, we need to be the change we want to see in our church because the change must first occur in us.
I was discussing with a friend on how if Addison Road were to play at our church, there would be some people in the audience who would give you a bad impression of us. I think a lot of times it's just what they're comfortable with or it's a matter of how they worship. I don't worship to screamo music, and I'd really prefer to never have to listen to it again. I understand that screamo reaches some people, but I probably wouldn't keep a smile on my face through a whole concert. I also don't lift my hands when I worship. I don't have anything against it... it's just not something I do...it doesn't really do anything for me, but it doesn't mean I'm not worshiping as much as those who do. Also, Some people simply may just not find God in a song like others do. Maybe they'd be more comfortable reading scripture or praying.
I definitely agree with you about the preacher abusing his podium though.
You knew this post would stir up a nest of hornets, didn't you? I think we complicate everything.
Since that conversation we had so long ago (when you first announced out you were pregnant with Annie) things haven't changed much for me on the church front.
This is so true. I have noticed so many changes in churches over the years. Too often they get caught up in the numbers and the focus is taking away from God.
I really enjoyed this post Jenny, I was talking to someone who doesn't follow Christ and he said it amazed him how people who call themselves "Christians" have done things that Christ would have never done! You know I pray for those who aren't Christ followers, but it is especially sad to see those who claim to be believers, but are just "going through the motions" to quote Matthew West.
Everyday we have an opportunity to show God's love and grace and instead we use each day to judge and hate those who are different from us. I pray that there is a revival of the church and that we can get past the labels that divide us.
Thank you Jenny. Thank you for asking the hard questions. For pointing out what is ugly and we work hard to over look. Thank you for seeking Jesus.
Great topic, Jenny! And Great responses!
I think that we have to remember that Church isn't something you GO TO! We actually should stop staying it that way, I guess! Followers of Jesus make up the church, and you don't have to GO anyplace to BE the Church or to find community with other believers. We shouldn't ever live the life of a Christ-follower alone (Hebrews 10: 24-25), but we don't have to go to a particular building with a cross on it to do that.
I experience church community when I hang out with friends and we encourage each other over a meal... or when our family prays together... or when I take dinner to a friend who is sick...
So, yes, I do GO to a building I call my church, but that's only ONE of the times during the week that I experience God at work in my life... and honestly, as great as my church is, sometimes it's the least way I experience church that week.
The reason I GO to a building with a cross on top on Sunday mornings is to be near friends, fellow Christ-followers, who seek the Holy Spirit together. But God shows up in great ways with those same friends as we convene in coffee shops or bars, at PTA meetings or office meetings, in our neighborhoods or homeless shelters...
Church is what you make it and where you make it. :)
wow. i think "tough topic tuesdays" are a hit! :)
just like everyone else said, jenny - what you said was right on. i'm so happy to ba a part of a small church plant here in CO (branched off of Watermark Dallas) whose entire mission is to welcome EVERYONE, right where they are in life - broken, hurting, searching, discouraged, encouraged, joyful, content, whatever! we want anyone and everyone. there are no rules or prerequisites to be involved in our small COMMUNITY church. my first sunday the lead pastor introduced himslef and very humbly proclaimed that he was NOT the lead pastor of this church. Jesus Christ was the lead pastor. (Long way from FBC D-ville, baby!) :) God is more alive to me and is working in my life more than ever before. i strongly believe that surrounding myself with these authentic people, these followers of Christ, who confess their sins, their hurts/habits/hang-ups to us.....this has helped me finally feel the freedom to accept God's unconditional, unending love for me and to walk in the light of His grace. i've never understood what that meant until now. we don't pretend to know that we have it all figured out....we just know one thing for sure, and that's john 3:16. we know that jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sins and that there's nothing we could ever do to earn his grace. he just gives it to us for free. why it took me so long to understand what that meant, who knows! i agree that WE are the church! we don't have to limit it to a building we go to on sundays. i don't want a God-in-a-box or legalistic ideals shoved down my throat who does?!? we are Christ's bride and we should boast about him just like any blushing bride would do about her groom. we should let his love and his light shine so brightly through us so that everyone wants to know what the heck has made us this way. for me this idea has been cultivated out of simplifying...getting back to the basics of the true gospel of jesus christ....remembering that "the greatest of these is love". also through opening myself up and engaging in real community. if we allow ourselves to be stipped of all of our past ideologies and preconceived notions of what a "christian should do/look like/be" and remember that we:
1)are worthy of love
2)should have Jesus's eyes for everyone
3)should walk in the freedom of his amazing grace
4)and just always try to keep our gaze on him
things would be so much better for us christians! :) man, i'm tired of getting a bad wrap! of course, that's nothing new! "blessed are those who are pesecuted", right? :)
sorry to ramble and for all the grammatical and punctuation errors!
i'm super tired and have needed to go to bed for a few hours now. darn these riveting blogs! ;)
p.s. this is another reason you need to visit our church! you guys would L-O-V-E it!!!
I really love to visit your blogger! You're blessing by God and bless our lives with words that came from God!
Thank you so much!
kisses from Brazil!
Heard your music for first time. New fan from England, London.
Jenny,
I appreciate this post so much. I have discovered your blog through my sister-in-law and think it is awesome that you tackle tough topics. I am currently in college and have become really involved in a church that is not so much focused on “religion” but the fact that we are all Christian. It does not matter how we worship or what we agree/disagree on, it is the simple fact that we all love the same God. But I am finding that so many college students are simply tired of religion and want to place our focus in a higher place. I’m just so happy to have found a church that does make me more passionate about serving Christ. And I’m thankful to be a part of the third positive on your final list. Thanks again. Your music and your blog is such an inspiration.
Jenny, thanks for visiting IN! I had an awesome time!
Please listen to this sermon by Bob Russell, retired senior minister of my Church, South East Christian Church in Louisville KY: http://www.southeastchristian.org/sermons/?id=808. It addresses the exact topic and I think it may speak to you. It is from this past Sunday. Thanks!
How blessed I am to be a worshiper at our church. I am so challenged every Sunday by the Word brought to us from our Pastor. We meet in a movie theater because we are only 18 months young as a church plant that God has blessed so richly. We needed to go to 2 services because we were running out of seats. As we say in our church "BIG GOD". We are not about programs we are about worshiping, walking and working for Christ. I have been around for awhile and have been in church since I was 6 but I never had that relationship thing until 17 when Young Life explained what it meant to have Christ and not just know who christ is...sorry off track..I am just so joyful to know I am being taught and trained to be that disciple for Christ. I captured a glimpse of that this summer as I took missions trip to Romaina to help a sister plant rebuild a building..I then realized how blessed we are and how much work still needs to be done! Its about your heart and personal relationship with our Father and not the buliding or "community" we call Church...Are You /AM I putting my Fathers work first?
JENNY!!
Travis and I are engaged!!! We have been engaged since last Friday! I'm a little overwhelmed with wedding details in trying to get a ceremony spot and reception place. Man! Those places fill up FAST!!
Where did you and Ryan have your wedding and reception spots?
Your biggest fan from Risefest,
Alli Hauswald
Ah! I've been waiting oh, so long for an opportunity like this! I agree! The church (I'm generalizing, mind you. Some churches aren't at all like this, but a good lot of them are.) has become a joke. I love it that I found another person from a band who believes this is true! The only other band I know of is Five Iron Frenzy, and they're dead *sniff*. But I'm actually in-between churches at the moment and having the hardest time finding one that does speak to me! More than, "Yeah, there was this guy, and they called him Jesus, and He's the Son Of God and stuff. And a couple thousand years ago, He died. And He loves us all. It would be kinda cool if You'd let Him rule your life." Which you run into all the time in my city, so I have found. Come on people! We're supposed to be the salt of the earth! We're supposed to "Spice things up in here!" Show how great God is! How He loves us no matter what! The church is so far from salty... its well, its like McDonalds fries! They claim to have loads of salty sodium! But do they? I think not. We've "sold out", We're cheap, soggy, and as I have already mentioned, NOT SALTY! We've sold out to mediocrity. I'm not lovin' it. Its awful, and ITS NOT GETTING PEOPLE SAVED! ISN'T THAT THE POINT?!? The church has given God a bad name. No wonder non-christians think we're all boring-as-snot hypocrites. It reminds me of the lyrics to this song: You said down with the church,
With your fists up in the air,
All the anger and the hate,
Yeah, we saw your frigid stare,
You hate christianity,
But love your animosity,
Its the church who's gotten rotten,
Yet its Christ that you've forgotten."
Well, thats my very long 2 cents. I hope I've made my point across clearly... but I probably didn't. Anyways, remember. Be salty, not soggy!
You are such an inspiration Jenny. I heard your song "What do I know of Holy?"for the first time this week, and felt so convicted. I've been going to church since I was
3, and I am now 32. I have 5 children aged 9 to 9mths and a husband who is also a christian but works shiftwork, so a lot of the time I am taking the children to church on my own. It takes alot of energy to get us all there on Sunday morning, and a lot of the time I come home feeling frustrated that it felt like a lot of effort for nothing. I know what you are saying about us needing to seek God's face for ourselves, because that is what church is about. So many christians ( myself included at times) use church as a social event or somewhere to be entertained for an hour and a half. I believe God has given you an amazing gift, and your blogs are such a breath of fresh air to read. Such honesty. I feel God has led me to your blog this week for a reason. It's amazing that even though I live in Australia, the internet makes the world seem a smaller place. Keep smiling :)
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